October 2, 2023 at 3:15 pm #41202ΝαταλίαParticipant
I am finishing up my homework from the Orthros lesson. I have a question regarding the roles of the choir at the point of the exapostilarion. If there is a Menaion exapostilarion then we are chanting three hymns (Eothinon, menaion, and menaion theotokion). If the right choir is beginning this set then the right choir is also chanting the last hymn and then immediately beginning the praises.
question: If it is the case where three hymns are chanted would the left choir then end the final phrase of the third exapostilarion hymn so as to give the right choir a chance to breath before beginning the Praises?
(kind of like at the Anavathmi/Prokimenon)
October 4, 2023 at 7:31 pm #41262
Yes, Natalia – exactly as you guessed!
October 4, 2023 at 8:34 pm #41281ΝαταλίαParticipant
October 7, 2023 at 6:11 pm #41340
Can you talk a little bit about orthros aposticha? I see it occasionally, but it seems to be on lesser feasts or lent. Does orthros only sometimes have aposticha, or does it always, and it’s typically skipped?
October 9, 2023 at 6:58 pm #41353
Very good question. We chant the aposticha at Orthros for “daily Orthros,” in other words, Orthros when there is no feasted saint. Orthros has aposticha when the doxology is appointed to be read, instead of chanted. Hence, why we chant aposticha at Orthros during the Bridegroom services of Holy Week, for example.
October 7, 2023 at 6:23 pm #41343
What does orthros usually look like on days with a lesser commemoration, particularly when there aren’t hymns at the praises? Is the same outline used and you just skip the parts that aren’t applicable, or is there a completely different outline?
Occasionally we’ve done orthros on one of these days, and even though usually we’ve had the Digital Chant Stand to follow, everyone is still confused and wanting to skip the things that we don’t normally do (aposticha, the final litanies, etc.)…which I assumed are only included because when there’s no kathismata, no gospel, no hymns at the praises, etc, you have to include something out of the ordinary if you want orthros to last an hour?
October 9, 2023 at 7:04 pm #41354
Also a great question, that requires a longer answer. This is a topic for Typikon 102, but let me outline it here:
God is the Lord
Kathismata (from the Octoechos)
Canon Odes 1-3 (Octoechos and Menaion) without Katavasias
Chant the Heirmos of Ode 3 at the end of Ode 3
Odes 4 – 6
Chant the Heirmos of Ode 6 at the end of Ode 6
Kontakion and Oikos (from Menaion, but if there is none, from the Octoechos)
Chant the Heirmos of Ode 8 at the end of Ode 8
Ode 9 of the Canon
Chant the Heirmos of Ode 9 at the end of Ode 9
It is truly meet, in the mode of Ode 9 Heirmos
Read the Praises (omitted in most Greek churches) through Glory, Both Now
Priest: “It is good to give praise unto the Lord…”
Small Doxology is read
Petition: “Let us complete our morning prayer…”
Litany of Fervent Supplication
Reader: “The Lord God make steadfast…”
Priest does the dismissal.
October 7, 2023 at 6:31 pm #41344
On Annunciation, I think the Digital Chant Stand will sometimes indicate that the kontakion is to be chanted and oikos is to be intoned by the priest with the repeat done by the chanter as it’s done in the Salutations.
Is this a typical practice? Is this in imitation of what would have been done when the kontakion and oikos in orthros were more of a full akathist? (I don’t remember exactly how you phrased it.)
October 9, 2023 at 7:06 pm #41355
Yes, but I have only seen this on the Saturday of the Akathist Hymn, not on Annunciation itself. I’d be curious to see the DCS and see where they get that from. The Akathist Hymn is maybe the only example we have left of what the full Kontakia and Oikoi sounded like during Matins, although in modern practice, we chant them during Small Compline.
October 17, 2023 at 12:42 pm #41636
If you wanted to include the polyeleos, how is that done?
October 17, 2023 at 3:05 pm #41639
Right before the exapostilaria I used to always see “Holy is the Lord our God” chanted 3x before “Exalt the Lord our God…”, but lately I’ve started to see it written to chant “Holy is the Lord our God” 2x only. Which is correct?
October 17, 2023 at 3:19 pm #41644
If the royal beginning of orthros is done, I’ve always heard Psalms 19-20 being intoned and a censing is done.
Are these Psalms ever read plainly, or are they always intoned this way?
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